Monday, March 9, 2015

Lord of the Flies Chapter 5 and 6 Silent Socratic

Today, we are going to do a silent discussion over Chapters 5 and 6.  Everyone must answer the following questions I have asked and once you are done, you must respond to at least 3-4 (or more) other people. When you are done making comments, you must always end with a question-interpretive or critical. I expect textual support (specific quotes from text) to back up your claims.  You will need to read people's questions and comments, but I would like to see depth with discussion threads and for you to be original in your thought and not just restate what someone else already mentioned.

Please do this part first, on your own, as you will get an individual grade for how you answer these questions: You can answer all these questions within one Comment box, but label each response with the corresponding number.

1. What two quotes (1 from each chapter) do you believe were most poignant in revealing an overall theme (a main message)?  Please give the quote from the chapter and then write your analysis.

2.  How is fear playing a role in these chapters?   You must give one quote, from one of the chapters, to support your claim.

3.  How is power and control shifting within these chapters and what is it creating?  Use a quote to support your response.

4.  Please write one interpretive and one critical question

Now that you are done with this, please begin to read other people's questions and comments and respond.  Make sure you are using as much textual evidence as possible.


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  2. 1) Page 81-82: “Look at us! How many we are? And yet we can’t keep a fire going to make smoke… we ought to die before we let the fire go out… the smoke is more important than the pig… (Goes on for whole page until end of Paragraph 3 on 82)”: Ralph really shows his opinion of the best way to be rescued, but others will dissent with his view, wanting not to have to climb the mountain just to cook something. But, in contrast they already were if they had to light a stick on the mountain and bring it down, so that shouldn't be a real problem. The more accurate problem is Jack, because we know that he doesn't take orders very well.

    Page 108: “We want smoke. And you go wasting your time. … ”: Again Ralph is stubborn to show that he is in charge, and that he can control everyone on the island to do what he wants. I think there will be a war of opinion soon, and it may not be pretty.

    2) Fear is dividing everyone into separate groups.

    Page 89: “You, Simon? You believe in this? … the laughter beat him cruelly”: The others are too scared to see another side to the story, while Simon takes a stance that there is an unknown, and that they should not hide from it, or it will consume them. Rather than they confront it and fight it.

    3) I think that power is shifting away from Ralph, and more toward chaos.

    108: "'We'll go to the mountain.' The clamor broke out. ... 'Why can't we stay here for a bit?' ... 'I'm chief'"


    Why is Ralph so quick to dismiss the possibility of a beast?
    Why do people dismiss / distrust things they don’t understand?

    1. I think Ralph is so quick to dismiss the beast because he fears corruption and tremendous amounts of fear and mass hysteria. He most likely does not want any more issues when he already has to deal with food, building, hunting, fires, etc.

    2. I think that Ralph himself is pretty scared especially after how Sam and Eric described the "beast". I think sometimes when people are in a bad position they tend to deny the situation rather than accept what is really in front of them. As well I think that Ralph has learned what it means to be a leader and he now is beginning to understands the things that are required of a good leader. One of those things being that you want to do whatever you can to avoid chaos. Somehow whether you know the answer or not when someone who is an authority figure or adult that you listen to says something it makes it more real. Ralph admitting that he thinks there is a beast would only instill a lot of fear in the all of the boys as he is the one they listen to and look up to.

    3. I agree with Remi, Ralph notices the attention and corrupt attitude the beast brings so he wants to dismiss it really quick. Also it makes others very scared and worried and it kills some of the hope they had.

    4. I agree with Shahin. Ralph's job as a leader is to keep the entire village of kids in order, and if a single idea of a mystical being can send everything into chaos and Ralph cannot control it, the village will look to someone who can and Ralph will loose leadership.

  3. 1) An extremely important quote from chapter 1, pg. 91, is, "What are we? Humans? Or animals? Or savages?" This quote takes place during the assembly and it seems like there was an awareness towards the idea of savagery. The boys are beginning to notice that things are getting slightly out of hand. They have finally realized that they may be becoming something less than civilized humans. Will this quote come back around further in the book? Is this foreshadowing? Chapter 2, pg. 99, "Ralph took the conch..." The conch is still a working system, but in a way, it is starting to symbolize control and power? At some point it is very possible for the conch to stop working when all of the boys began to lose control (if that even happens).
    2) Fear is beginning to play a role in these chapters when Percival has more attention on him. “Something strange was happening to Percival”, this quote begins speaking about how he was shaking. This is possibly a symbol of losing stability among the group. As Percival continued to speak, he started to shudder and in a way “freak out”. Will this happen to all of the boys?
    3) Power starts to shift when Ralph considers letting go of power, “‘Piggy’s right, Ralph. There’s you and Jack. Go on being chief.’”. This brings fear to Piggy and the thought of Ralph giving up brings Piggy down. Ralph is fed up. Ralph is considering stepping down and letting Jack take over. This is causing tension and small amounts of corruption within the boys. Obviously, Piggy does not want Jack to become leader because Jack scares him, but it could happen.
    4) In chapter 5 and previous chapters, there have been beautiful descriptions of the setting. Is this supposed to be deceiving? Does attractiveness change the immediate view on something? Does it have a better impression?
    With the conch being used, does a leader have to be good at communicating and speaking with others? Is it possible for a quiet/introverted leader to work?

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    3. I think that the beauty of the island is tied to the boys innocence. When they got to the island it was the beautiful untouched place and the boys were basically the same in an aspect that they had never been out on their own. We see the boys becoming more dirty and taking short all over the island and becoming more savage. With the loss of their purity that they came to the island with they island is becoming more grim seeming. We are seeing the color pink fade away and pink was definitely tied to how they had this innocence and care. The more time they spend on the island the less civilized and innocent they become and with that the island changes too.

    4. I think that a loud and proud leader is easier to follow. For example, take Hitler, he spoke with passion and he had a hart for uniting the people loudly! Or even MLK Jr. he was an eloquent speaker and had a charisma that united people. But it is also ok to follow a quiet leader. Take Jesus for example. He led by example and quietly. Yes he taught but he never tried to be loud and proud and yet he was arguably the best leader in history. I think it all boils down to their character as a leader.
      Is it more important to follow a leader of integrity and character or one who always has an answer (whether it is a good one or not)?

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    6. I agree, Caleb. a leader has to be very confident, loud, and someone who can shift the minds of those below them. I think that Hitler ended up being the better leader overall due to him being louder.
      Is it better to be a loud leader, or a silent leader?

  4. 1)

    “The World, that understandable and lawful word, was slipping away.” P.82
    a) In this chapter it is the first time the boys, specifically ralph and piggy see what is happening to the boys. Chaos has come upon them and we can see their ties to rules and civilization deteriorating which makes it hard for there to be order and control in their island. Another thing we see with this quote is that some of these boys are losing faith in one another, for the first time we see certain boys losing trust in the sanity of others.

    “Even sounds of nightmare from the other shelters no longer reached him, for he was back where he came from, feeding the ponies with sugar…” P.89
    b) Here we see a very significant example of a loss of innocence. We get a picture that he used to feed ponies at his house with sugar, now we see him in a near death state of being. This is one of the first times we really get to compare life on the island versus how it was before when they hadn't crashed. We already knew that these boys come from a very wealthy family because they are going to an all boys boarding school but personally I didn’t think that they were pampered that much. So now we really get perspective on the difference between their lives then and now.


    Fear plays such a big role in this book. Fear is the reason there is chaos erupting on this island. There would be no beast without fear, there would be more freedom, and more fun. But fear does not only have a negative role, fear is what drives Jack to enforce safety. Fear of not getting rescued is why Jack makes sure that kids are always tending the fire, fear of bad feather is why it is necessary to build shelter. Fear it essentially what fuels every action these boys take. We see Jack trying to kill every pig he sees, that is because he fears that the other boys won’t respect him. Ralph fears for the others safety and that maybe they won’t get rescued. And Simon with the smartest most pertinent fear of all, the fear of the other boys. Simon fears that the boys themselves are becoming the beast.


    We see a major power shift from Ralph to Jack in these chapters. This is because ralph has lost respect because all he wants to do is the stuff that actually matters like tend to the fire and build shelter whereas Jack likes to hunt and swim and just play. The boys start to follow jack more because he seems more fun and because of their lack of perspective. None of the boys seem to care about what is important so they think that there will be no repercussions for playing all day but there will be and I think we will see some of these happen shortly in the book.


    Why are the boys attracted to Ralph first? How does Jack win them over to his side?

    Why is it that some leadership styles are more appealing than others but at the same time be less effective?

    1. I agree that fear will lead to chaos. Being scared can make a person choose the wrong option. Being fearful of a beast might change power from Ralph to Jack. Jack has established himself a hunter, killing the pig. Him being able to kill give the little kids a sense that Jack is stronger and can protect his followers. Once chaos erupts, it will be very hard to calm the little ones down. I hope that Ralph makes a "show of power" to re-establish his right to be chief.
      How do leaders establish their credibility?

  5. 1) “The conch was snatched from Piggy’s and hand and his voice shrilled… You are breaking the rules… Who cares? (91) [Chpt 5]
    -I think that this shows that the idea of government and the conch is fading away quickly. They are not listening to each other in the assemblies which is causing friction between them like the conch does not mean anything anymore. I think that the idea of the beast is mostly what is tearing them and their government apart.

    “Other people could stand up and speak to an assembly, apparently, without that dreadful feeling of the pressure of personality...” (103)[Chpt 6]
    -I thought around chapter three that is was a possibility in the future for Simon to become a leader of the group of boys because he was always helping with the right and most important things, but what this quote is saying is that he is timid of being a leader and speaking out in front of the group of boys. But he realizes that this creature could either just be all in their heads or they could be up against something very serious and could prevent them from getting of the island. I think that he needs to speak up because he has important things to say that could keep the group of boys out of danger.

    2) The fear of the beast seems to me like it is breaking up the togetherness of the group of boys. When they are all afraid they start not to listen to each other which in the future if this keeps up could cost them in a negative way. Also it is showing the true colors of the boys. To me, the main leaders, Jack and Ralph, are starting to become afraid of each other because Jack is a very unpredictable person who is focused on power, where Ralph is trying to do things for the benefit of the boys getting of the island. When Piggy mentions, “What are we? Humans? Or animals? Or savages?”,(91), it just proves that the boys are now becoming more unpredictable and Piggy is scared of the future because he sees the group becoming more savage.

    3) One can see that the the boys are becoming more self governed and are doing what they want to do. Ralph makes points in the assembly about how they are not going to the bathroom where they had agreed to go, which is showing that the boys are just worried about themselves. “We don’t need the conch any more..You haven’t got the conch...sit down”,(101-102). In this, it is showing that the importance of the conch and how it symbolized leadership is becoming not relevant to the boys. At the beginning when the conch was held by someone everyone else would be quite and pay attention to that person because it symbolized power, but now everyone is focused on getting what they need to say or do across to the others.

    4) Why is it so crucial for the boys on watch of the fire to make sure it doesn’t go out again like it did before? Why do we sometimes not understand that it is so important to watch the things we do and the decisions we make because they could impact us in the future?

    1. I agree with you in that we are seeing the conch/government fade away in this chapter. We have been observing less and less respect towards the conch shell throughout the book. I encourage you to ask yourself though, is there a specific reason that the conch is loosing value besides the beast?


  6. 1.“We’ve got to make smoke up there-or die”-pg 81 : I think that this quote is most important because it shows how Ralphs goals to get rescued and get off the island are much different from Jack’s goals to hunt and survive on the island.
    “You can’t have an ordinary hunt for the beast doesn’t leave tracks”-pg 101 : I think that this quote is important because it shows how feared the beast is even though no one has seen it (except for the twins who claim they have), it doesn’t leave tracks, and it doesn’t even seem real.
    2. “A thin wail out of the darkness chilled them and sent them grabbing for each other.”-pg 94 : This excerpt shows how the children are terrified by even the slightest thing because there are no adults there to protect them from things that could hurt them. Fear is causing irrational thought, such as the presence of the beast, to occur.
    3. “Jack lead the way down the rock and across the bridge”-pg 108 : Power is going back and forth between Jack and ralph as the two groups, hunters and fire-keepers, segregate among them. This quote shows how although Jack wanted power, he could not get it unless he took it from Ralph.
    4. Interpretive: Is Jack going to try and take all of the power from Ralph? Will Piggy be in danger if he does?
    Critical: On a deserted island, which is more important, survival? or morality?

    1. I think Jack has always wanted the power and now that he and the boys are more on the same level I see it likely that the boys will start following after Jack. Jack has become savage and many of the boys are headed that way as well so they can identify with Jack and how he thinks. I think Piggy could be in danger depending on what he does. Jack seems to leave Piggy alone for the most part if he stays out of his way, but I think Piggy could be in danger if he makes the wrong move. In terms of which way the boys should be leaning between survival and morality I think there is a health balance that needs to be reached. The boys need to make sure that they are going to survive on this island, but in order for them all to survive they need to keep their moral standards. The boys must posses both in order to run a civil well working island.

    2. I think that it is difficult to say which is more important-Morality or survival. It is imposibble to have morality and not survive, but it is easy to survive without morality. It is also hard to survve in this kind of situation without loosing a sense of morality and not even realizing it. It is a transition to get yourself to loose that natural habits of boudries and limits that we are expected to set in society. It becomes even more difficult to implement the morality back into your life.

    3. When you are on a deserted island, the first and most important thing is surviving, but having morality keeps you sane to keep surviving. They are both equally as important because if you have morality, then you can think through how to survive, and how to handle the situation. In terms of the book, I think that right now, the boys are losing their moral standards and are focusing more on survival. They are starting to be less civil towards each other and are more focused on hunting or keeping the fire going. If the boys were civil towards each other, and each did their job, they would run a well working island.

    4. When marooned on an island I think morality is more important. Yes you need survival, but if you can keep a sense of morality or integrity, then you are more likely to keep your sanity too. Sanity is a vital part to survival.
      If you have lost your sanity, how can you re-gain it or at least try to?

    5. I also think that morality is more important. People start to go crazy when they lose morality. I think if the boys lost all of their morality, some of them would be dead due to cannibalism. Is it possible to regain sanity after you've lost it?

  7. Everyone is starting to find their places in the new society. “Now I say this and make it a rule, because I’m chief.” (page 81, chapter 5). Ralph is the chief because he has responsibility. This contributes to the main theme because now the boys are in their places the society they have created is coming together.
    The conch plays a big role in the theme of the text. “Conch! Conch!’ shouted Jack. ‘We don’t need the conch anymore.” (page 101, chapter 6). Once Jack says they don't need the conch anymore people start to believe it and soon things will go down hill. Fear is controlling most of he boys.
    They are afraid of the beast, being left alone, the thought of never getting rescued. Their fear of the beast is what keeps them up at night, the cause of their nightmares, and the reason they cry them selves to sleep. The fear of not being rescued effects Ralph greatly, he is determined to keep the fire going because if it goes out for a little bit he believes they will never get off the island. "Keep the fire going and the smoke showing as a signal." (page 81, chapter 5).
    The desire to be in control is creating conflict between Ralph and Jack. Ralph being chief has shaped Ralph and Jacks personality and the way they act. Ralph is becoming more controlling and demanding while Jack is becoming savage and wanting to take control.What has been the most important event in these two chapters? How has effected the boys?

    1. I agree that the conch is a big motif. For me it symbolized the rise to power, organization, and order. Those are all traits from civilization, and the character who picked up the conch represents being civilized; Ralph. Jack's claim that the conch is not necessary symbolized his opposition to the organization of being a community. I see that the boys are pulling further apart from the respectful and serene home. They fight and shout more and more as the chapters go on. If the conch is abandoned or broken, then the boys will go too far into savagery to be saved.
      What does it mean to be civilized?

    2. I like how you said and showed how Ralph is a better leader and how everyone is finding there place in society but I urge you to ask the question, is there even society anymore?

    3. I think that the conch is a motif too. It resembles leadership and order. We really see the boys having jobs and order in these chapters, as two separate groups. Is it better to be selfish or to work together for survival?

  8. 1. Chapter 5, "The fire is the most important thing on this island." Chapter 6, "There was a speck above the island, a figure dropping swiftly beneath a parachute , a figure that hung with dangling limbs."

    The quote from chapter 5 was most important because when Ralph called for a meeting he was talking about all the important rules and the most important was the fire at the top of the island. The quote from chapter 6 was important because the guy in the parachute was the "beast from air."

    2. Fear is playing a role because the kids who are afraid of the beast, their fear is causing a lot of chaos around their meetings. Phil said "and then i saw something moving among the trees something big and horrid."

  9. 1. Chapter 5
    The rules!” shouted Ralph. “You’re breaking the rules!”
    “Who cares?”
    Ralph summoned his wits.
    “Because the rules are the only thing we’ve got!” (91)
    By being alone on an island with no grown-ups, Ralph has become wiser and is thinking more like an adult in the situation, while Jack feels free to do whatever he wants because there are no grown-ups around. Ralph has gone from fooling around and standing on his head, to believing that they need to keep the fire going at all times and work together to get things done. Having no adults around makes him see that it takes a lot to survive, and he realizes this and wants things to get done. I also see that 2 groups are emerging, but eventually, the other kids will side with Ralph. Ralph is the one who will get them off the island, while Jack doesn’t have rules and only wants to hunt.

    Chapter 6
    Jack sneered at him.
    “Course I’m frightened. Who wouldn’t be?” (Ralph) (100)
    I think this is a very important quote because it shows how the boys, especially Ralph have matured from stranded on the island. Any child would never admit they were scared to another kid, it would make them seem weak. Admitting you’re scared is a very mature thing for a 12 year old boy to do. I think when they first landed on the island, none of the boys were mature enough to listen to each other about what they had to do, but Ralph has matured and is acting like more of a grown-up, so the other boys are listening to him. Ralph has earned the respect of the other boys, therefore they listen to him as their leader.

    2. Any kid would be scared of something of they were stranded on an island with no adults. As for the role fear plays in these chapters and with the boys, I think it brings the boys together, because they are all scared of the same thing, the beast. They all have a common enemy. All the boys go to find the beast together, unlike previously in the book when they started to make the fire without Ralph. As it says on page 103, “Under Ralph’s direction, they picked up a careful way along the palm terrace, rather them dare the hot sand down by the water. He let Jack lead the way; and Jack trod with theatrical caution though they could have seen an enemy twenty yards away.” All the boys go to kill the beast together, because they are all scared of it and not one person wants to do it by himself.

    3. In these chapters, you can see the power going back and forth from Ralph to Jack. Ralph seems to have the power in the situations when the boys need to do something better, or to enforce the rules. Jack seems to have power when the boys want to do what they want, because Jack would let them do that. On page 81 Ralph is talking in the assembly, and this is the quote:
    Jack stood up, scowling in the gloom, and held out his hands.
    “I haven’t finished yet.”
    “But you’ve talked and talked!”
    “I’ve got the conch.”
    Jack sat down grumbling.
    This is an example of when Ralph has power because he is enforcing the rules of the conch and being more of an adult figure. Also during the assembly, Jack shows his leadership, he says, “Bollocks to the rules! We’re strong-we hunt! If there’s a beast, we’ll hunt it down! We’ll close in and beat and beat and beat-!” (91). The other boys, especially the littluns, don’t want to follow any rules when there are no grown-ups around, and Jack doesn’t want rules. Boys like Piggy don’t want Jack to be the leader because they are more civilized and rational thinkers and want rules. There are definitely groups siding with the different leaders and disagreements on how to do things.

    4. Interpretive: Would the boys have listened to Piggy and taken advantage of his intelligence if he looked differently, or would he still be an outcast?
    Critical: Why do outgoing people get included more often than shy people?

    1. I wanted to give my opinion on your questions. I think they are great and really provoke thought. I think that it is easier for the boys to judge people if they are shy, but they don't judge Simon and he is shy? So, what does this mean? Perhaps they think Simon has more to offer than Piggy, but if someone was to have neither the physical qualities nor outgoing traits that these boys have been trying to find throughout childhood, wouldnt they be the perfect victim for bullying? It is a very good question, another question I have is: What is the ratio of bullies to victim? Is one big bully worse than 10 small ones?

  10. 1) "All this I meant to say. Now I've said it. You voted me for chief. Now you do what I say.” They quieted, slowly, and at last were seated again. Ralph dropped down and spoke in his ordinary voice.” Ralph is reminding the boys that they chose to obey a set of rules and now they must do the walking and not just the talking. In a sense it is the only thing that is keeping their government together.
    “Jack's face swam near him."And you shut up! Who are you, anyway? Sitting there telling people what to do. You can't hunt, you can't sing—" "I'm chief. I was chosen." "Why should choosing make any difference? Just giving orders that don't make any sense—" Jack is disagreeing with the way that power was given. Instead he thinks that power should be taken. He wants to be in power but sense the other boys chose Ralph he wants to change the way that their government works.

    2) Fear is playing a huge role in these chapters because the boys are becoming more afraid of everything that could or could not be on the island and that is effecting the way that Ralph has to talk to them and how Jack tries to overpower Ralph. "…fear can't hurt you any more than a dream. There aren't any beasts to be afraid of on this island . . . Serve you right if something did get you, you useless lot of cry-babies!" Again, this fear of what could be on the island is in every one of the boy’s heads and it is making them unsure of what to do.

    3) The power and control is shifting because Jack is so persistent that he should take the power that was given to Ralph because that is his idea of a perfect government. And Ralph, on the other side is saying that he is in power and everyone should listen to him because he was given the power fist at the meeting and that the power should also be given to someone worthy of it, other than just being able to take it. “Now I've said it. You voted me for chief. Now you do what I say.”

    4) Interpretive: Why do you think that Ralph was chosen to be chief in the first place over Jack?
    Critical: Why do we choose people to be in power over other people in our own government?

    1. I think that the fear could be irrational. Simon believes that the boys made up the beast in the first place. As a reader, I saw evidence suggesting that the beast may at least be partially fictional. On page 100, the twins describe the beast- "claws- the beast followed us-", and that can not be possible because the beast is a dead soldier. As little kids go, their imagination can get the better of them, and they might make stuff up. This made me question the credibility of claims made by the little ones.
      How much of memory is truth and how much is made up to fill the gaps?

    2. I think that Ralph was chosen to be chief over Jack, because at the time, he was the one who had called them all together with the conch. He had the charisma and assertiveness that people look for in a good leader. As it says on page 22, "But there was a certain stillness about Ralph that marked him out: there was his size, and attractive appearance; and most obscurely, yet most powerfully, there was the conch." Also, I think that the choir boys were sick of Jack bossing them around and wanted someone else to be the leader. Also said on page 22, "I ought to be chief," said Jack with simple arrogance, "because I'm chapter chorister and head boy. I can sing C sharp." The choir boys are tired of him being the best and in charge, and want a change in the leadership.

  11. Chapter 5
    Quote: “What I mean is... maybe it’s only us.” pg. 89
    Analysis: Simon has this goodness and pureness within him, so I think he can pretty easily see what’s going on around him without being corrupt by it. He can see this real shift some of the boys as he along with Piggy and Ralph have a clearer perception of what needs to get done in order to maintain society. Within chapter five we see the order of life on the island start to slip out of Ralphs hands. The boys are becoming the beast, but they’re so focused on the fact that there might be an actual monster out there they can’t see what they are becoming. Their fear is almost the thing that is making them become beast like/

    Chapter 6
    Quote: “Let’s stay here-”
    “Back to the shelter-”
    “I’m tired-”
    Ralph struck the skin off his knuckles. They did not seem to hurt.
    “I’m chief. We’ve got to make certain. Can’t you see the mountain? There’s no signal showing. there may be a ship out there. Are you all off your rockers?” pg. 108
    Analysis 2: Throughout this whole chapter there has been an evident change in the way boys are acting. Ralph is losing control of the group and they are becoming more savage. They don’t care so much about getting rescued, they are resisting control, and things are becoming evidently less civilized. Ralph is trying to hold onto the boys, but he seems to not have slipped into the more savage state that they have. While Ralph is losing power we see Jack gaining more because he’s in this more savage like state that many of the boys are falling into. The boys can relate to Jack and how he sees things, but how will this affect the group? If Jack were to seize control what could happen?

    2. Quote: “Unless we get frightened of people.” pg 84
    I think all the fear that’s within the boys really shows in this chapter. We see that everyone sort of has a different interpretation of what the beast is. Some think it’s a big snake that lives in the woods and some think that it’s possibly people themselves. These boys are scared because they don’t know what’s out there and even more so what is going to happen to them. I think Piggy has always had more of a clear mind and he can see that there are boys slipping down the slope towards savagery. The order of things are being lost and partially because of whatever the boys think is out there. The more they think they need to kill and protect themselves that way, the more savage they become.

    3. “I ought to give up being chief. Hear ‘em.” pg. 93
    As Ralph watches the order of things slip out of his hands he questions his abilities because Jack is in a similar state of mind as many of the boys. Jack has definitely take a turn for savagery and many of the boys are too so they identify with Jack. We see the boys turning towards Jack and his ideas, which makes Ralph second guess what he is trying to get from the boys and contemplate giving Jack the throne. That itself instills fear in people like Piggy who know having Jack as a chief would completely diminish the chance of civilization. Jack has somewhat lost his mind so letting him lead is a somewhat scary thing because who know what he would do.

    4. a. Should the boys have so much faith in getting rescued or should they start to set their minds on the idea that they might be on this island for a while?
    b. Does having faith and believing something will happen get us further in life or only distort our perception of what reality is?

    1. I think that the boys really need to get organized. Chances of rescue are small and they need to survive til that chance comes. Jack appeals to the boys through their basic instincts to kill, but I agree that he should not be chief. Jack is too wild to make living possible.
      What gives humans the sense of right and wrong?

    2. I think that the boys need to realize that they might not be rescued for a while, but be prepared for when they do. Right now the boys need to focus on surviving, because they can only be rescued if they're alive. Can a child be just as good of a leader as an adult?

    3. I think the boys need to work together because the most important thing under getting rescued is themselves each of them have valuable skill sets and it is not good to bring hatred because then everyone will follow that. I do not think Jack should be chief because he plays too much and focuses on killing. Why is there even a leadership or rules when there out in the wild? Do rules apply even in the wild?

    4. I think that your interpretative questions boils down to weather the power is in Ralph's hands or Jack's. Ralph is really trying to keep the boys focused on getting off the island; keeping the signal fire going on the top of the mountain. But Jack is just trying to chase after things on the island like hunting or the beast and he isn't focused much at getting off the island.
      Should the boys put a lot of effort into getting rescued or should they just put their effort into surviving? Why?

    5. I think that the children need to become more organized and create an idea of surviving and planning on being rescued. The fire was one of the best ideas they've had, and it has worked, but the kids aren't focused on getting home. They are all thinking about the beast or hunting pigs and they forget that the need to focus. If they worked together on the idea of staying alive and focus on a certain idea

    6. It provokes a lot of thought when you describe how interesting it is to view how the boys interpret what the beast is. I think it really shows the individuality of the children. I also believe that it gives us a better idea of who is the most mature and who is the most responsible. When children are young, they are taught and brought up to think that monsters are big snakes or creatures, but as little boys get older and have more experience they see the monster can sometimes be inside. My question to you is: Who is right? Is it just a matter of the experiences you've had and what you have been through?

  12. 1) " 'If Jack is chief he'd have all hunting and no fire.' " pg. 93
    I think Jack is the simple for the evil in mankind. Golding's believes that men are inherently evil, and he uses Jack as a direct and clear example. In this quote, Piggy is saying that Jack knows nothing about responsibility because he cares only about what he wants. By abandoning his duties, Jack is going savage. His greed makes him evil.

    Pg. 106 “Jack was excited. ‘What a place for a fort!’ ... ‘Not by me(Ralph). This is a rotten place.’ “ I thought it was really interesting how the boys saw completely different functions of the cave. Ralph seemed uninterested, saying that there was not enough fresh water and being logical. Jack saw the foundation for a fort. He was excited. Why do the boys need a fort? To protect themselves against who? A main idea that I see is that war and human nature go together. Men are instinctively aggressive. I think that Golding believes men want to kill things. The pig and the beast are symbols of war. To kill the beast, Jack found himself a cave; and he wants a fort. They are on an isolated island where no other humans will attack them. Once again we see that Jack is more of an aggressive “savage”. I think that Jack will probably sneak into the cave later to construct his fort.

    2) Pg. 89 " 'What I mean is... maybe it's only us.' " The little kids are afraid. They cry for their mommies and huddle together at night. Fear is something that the bigger kids are not willing to embrace. Most of the community denies the existence of the beast, and shun anyone who suggests otherwise. I think that the fear will consume the kids little by little, changing their perceptions. In these chapters, fear of the beast led to a hunt. It changed what the little kids thought by making them realize there may be something out there.

    3) Power and control is waning from Ralph as Jack becomes more rebellious. " 'Conch! Conch!' shouted Jack. 'We don't need the conch anymore...' "(pg.101) Jack appeals to the young boys through their basic instincts to fight, hunt, kill. He got respect from his hunters and the little kids. The power is going towards Jack. This creates stress between two sets of characters. I think on one side, the rational boys: Ralph, Piggy, Simon, on the other side: Jack and his hunters.

    Interpretive: Why don’t the kids want to face the fact that there may be a beast?
    Critical: Do males inherently want more power?

    1. I think that the boys are afraid coming to the realization that there is a beast because they want to believe they still have a chance to get off the island. I think that males do not inherently want power. I think that they are taught in our society that it is something that boys must have to be successful. When in the wild it is not a battle its survival of the fittest.

  13. In chapter 5 the most poignant quote is on page 89 it says, “ What I mean is . . . maybe it’s only us.” This quote belays a common theme that is at the foundation of this book. The beast may exist. There may be a furry beast in the forest. but the biggest enemy in the book is themselves and the strength it takes to keep yourself level headed, and not go insane. There is also the beast behind human evolution and how it can disable people from surviving in life or death situations.
    In the book there is a big recurrence of the fear that the boys have about the beast in the forrest. They act as if its “coming” that it could hurt them. I think the beast is actually the fear of never leaving the island and death. Simon theorizes this idea on page 89, “What I mean is . . . maybe it’s only us.”
    The power in the book has shifted big time. Although Ralph is still considered the leader, people including piggy and jack have began to question him and question their safety and chances of leaving the island. i.e. Page 101, “Conch!Conch!” shouted Jack.”We don’t need the conch anymore. We know who ought to say things.”
    A. How does civilization enable children to be dependent?
    B. What happens when you no longer have someone to depend on?

    1. I think when you have no one to depend on you tend to lose hope because Piggy is like that person without Ralph piggy is just a punching bag but I think in every situation no matter what people tend to follow others because people and animals are just ment to to follow thats the nature in this world.

  14. In page 89 Simon exclaims to his friends and the whole group that, “What I mean is... Maybe its only us.” This quote is very important because everyone was wondering who this beast is and if its a monster trying to kill them all. Yet Simon looked like he thought this through and pointed out maybe it was one of them. The reason his words are so prevalent is because everyone especially jacks group has turned into savages.
    Quote#1 78- “I can't think. Not like piggy”.
    He not only brings wisdom but he etches a warm and motherly feel and not all the kids realize it but he is the glue holding the group together the guys have been getting on Ralphs skin but Piggy is always there to defend and make them criticize him and make fun of him and not his friend and leader. Piggy somewhat rallies the kids and coaches them but he doesn't do any of the work he coaches them and brings everyone together it only a matter of time when the others believe or disagree with him. This quote also shows that even Ralph the trusted leader he is thought to be can’t even think like Piggy. Piggy is a very special symbol that shows the motherly and sentimental feel.
    Quote 1.102 this more than a hunters job
    Ralph shows that they need to work together and help each other because they can't risk someone dying on their own. Ralph and Piggy have always hinted about working together but it was always Jack not letting them go because they were not hunters. Ralph is showing .the sense of being controlled by Jack and fearing that he will be lost. Also this shows how valuable and strong they were when everyone was together and when things went south everything went wrong.

    Quote2 At once the ideas were back. And the anger. 108
    this shows that every time they have ideas things start to stir and everyone has different ideas and there is no sense of order in the group. Is there even use for a leader because every leader and every person will be disliked by at least someone thats how nature works the leader or top ranked will get overthrown and then so on. My question is what would happen if they were all independent? The ideas seem to make the kids anger and with them being already savages the consequences will be greater because again there is no sense of order.
    FEAR: Fear can show an emotional and physical weakness that others can easily tell apart. When a person gets scared or shows a sense of fear it can show others that they are both mentally and physically stronger than that person. Also when someone shows fear . they can be controlled or manipulated very easily. Fear also can show a sense of motherly and softness.
    In chapters 5 and 6 Jack has shown a sense of control over piggy but more towards Ralph because he is leader he can be controlled a lot easier. Also Ralph has put fear in Jack too by scaring him with the monster. However the thing is, everyone has fear. Everyone fears staying in the island forever. Everyone fears creatures of the unknown. One quote that shows this is on page 104. Ralph looked at Jack and said you're a hunter. Jack went red...... Do you- think ?
    3. Power is shifting within Ralph and Jack because Jack is pushing the limits when it comes to the rules of Ralph. Jack seems like he gives no care in the choices that Ralp makes. A quote that shows this is when Ralph shouts “The Rules...! You're breaking the rules!” and Jack shouts that No one cares! pg(91) this shows that both of them have had enough of each other or close to being done because Ralph seems to fet up with Jack and his horseplay. Also the kids have shifted from Ralphs side more to Jack because he hunts and they think is stronger than Ralph.

    Why is Ralph so conservative unlike Jack who is aggressive and has fun?
    Why is that whoever is more popular and is somewhat “cooler” they follow and stick to their side?

    1. I feel like Ralph is really trying to prove he is a leader even though everyone knows he is already a leader, however he feels like he has to be serious to be a leader. I think that if you're popular people will only follow you because they want to be popular. Most of the time people don't even like each other, they just want that cool factor.

  15. The quote I thought was most poignant from chapter 5 was; “Maybe... there is a beast... What I mean is… maybe it's only us.” This was Simon and Piggy having a conversation here about the beast. They both make a conclusion about the beast in different ways. Piggy uses his intellectual mindset and concludes that the beast is each other. On the other hand, Simon makes the very important conclusion that the beast is themselves. Themselves in the power struggle, in the savagery, in their interactions with one another.

    The most poignant quote for chapter 6 was; “I'm chief. We've got to make certain [that there is no beast]. Can't you see the mountain? There's no signal showing. There may be a ship out there. Are you all off your rockers?" Ralph here is really struggling to enforce the rules that he has tried so hard to keep in order since he became chief. He is also establishing his main voice here, his main argument. That the signal fire on the top of the mountain is the most vital thing they can obtain for survival.

    Fear is a huge part in the lives of these boys, they live in and of it. It comes from a true, logical, external, tangible fear of this beast. For example the dead parachuter or the thought of him coming up from the sea. But there is also another side to it, a false, illogical, internal, imaginative side to this fear as well, an internal thought and fear of all that is happening. But I think the most fear comes from that internal side. In chapter 5 Simon concludes that the beast is themselves when he says, “Maybe... there is a beast... What I mean is… maybe it's only us.” He is saying that this fear of a beast is a real fear, but it is an internal fear. A fear of savagery or loss of civilization. Even a fear that they might never get off the island.

    The power is shifting in these chapters from the logical and smart sense of leadership that Ralph possesses to the more savage and radical leadership of Jack. Jack is trying to point out the realness of their fear, but in a very mean and harsh way, like ripping off the band aid. He says this in chapter 5, “…fear can't hurt you any more than a dream. There aren't any beasts to be afraid of on this island . . . Serve you right if something did get you, you useless lot of cry-babies!" Jack is always trying just to fight and kill the beast, to take stupid and quick action, and because the boys like to see this quick action they follow after him. That shifts the power away from Ralph who likes to meticognantly pan things out and make sure they are making smart and safe decisions, but the boys are gravitating away from that because it seems to much like a parent, like responsibility.

    INTERPRETIVE: How is the beast really just a metaphor for the boys struggle, their mutiny, their savage nature?

    EXTENSION: Can rational fears change the outlook on our beliefs and our actions as humans?

    1. I think fear can change the outlook on our actions because if we are scared of something it could hold us back from approaching it or doing something. I think fear can change our outlook on beliefs because if we are scared of something then we believe there is something about it to be scared about.

  16. 1) “Exposure to the air had bleached the yellow and pink to near-white, and transparency” (p.78). This quote shows the emerging theme of purity and clarity throughout the island. Without the boys on the island and them handling the shell, it is already a white color mixed with a little bit of pink. This represents that the island already has a type motherly figure incorporated into it, and was very pure before the boys crashed on the island. Another quote from chapter six is, “Conch! Conch!” shouted Jack. “We don’t need the conch anymore. We know who ought to say things. What good did Simon do speaking, or bill, or Walter? It’s time some people knew they’ve got to keep quiet and leave deciding things to the rest of us.” (p. 101-102). This quote is very poignant from chapter six because it shows the theme of the boys starting to not care about rules and order. You can also tell that Jack is starting to blow off Ralph and Piggy’s method of civilization and has the power to corrupt the other boys to follow him and forget all of the rules and aspects of civilization.

    2) Fear is playing a huge role in these chapters. Chapter five is a good example of how the boys are letting fear get to them and are scared of most anything unfamiliar on the island. “A thin wail out of the darkness chilled them and sent them grabbing for each other.” (p.94). This fear is causing the boys to think irrationally and dismiss logical reasonings for the situations on the island.

    3) Power and control is shifting into the hands of Jack and out of the hands of Ralph. Again in chapter six on pages 101 to 102 when Jack says, “Conch! Conch! shouted Jack. “We don’t need the conch anymore. We know who ought to say things. What good did Simon do speaking, or bill, or Walter? It’s time some people knew they’ve got to keep quiet and leave deciding things to the rest of us.” This quote shows how Ralph’s ideas and opinions on how the boys should do things is beginning to be blown off due to Jack opposing him all the time.

    4)Interpretive- Should there have been girls on the island with the boys?
    Critical- Does gender interaction effect the way a person acts?

  17. In Chapter 5, the quote that showed the most theme was when Ralph, Simon, and Piggy were sitting together. The three boys stood in the darkness, striving unsuccessfully to convey the majesty of adult life. “They wouldn’t quarrel---” “Or break my specs---” Or talk about a Beast---”. This quote shows the theme of Chapter 5 because of how they need more maturity than what they have now. The specs represented the society they had left within them. Now since the group has broken them, they have broke down and become angry and savage, destroying the last bit of civilization and maturity the had left. When something breaks on purpose, a child is mostly the cause, knocking this over or not being careful. But when an adult breaks something, it is mostly an accident. The beast in this quote represents the childish behavior, which caused the group to imagine an evil type of creature that has created paranoia . Adults in this case would find out what it is and would not breakdown or collapse in and give up. In Chapter 6, the quote when Ralph was speaking to the group, “The rest of the boys watched intently. Piggy, finding himself uncomfortably embroiled, slid the conch to Ralph's knees and sat down. The silence grew oppressive and Piggy held his breath. “This is more than a hunter’s job,” said Ralph at last, “because you can’t track the beast. And don’t you want to be rescued?” He turned to the assembly. “Don’t you all want to be rescued?”. This expresses the chapter because the children have forgotten the main point of surviving on the island. The plan of getting off the island has faded and they begin to freak out about the beast.
    Fear plays a huge role in these chapters because of the beast and how he changes the mindset of the children. The beast gets inside the kids heads with fear because during the assembly, the children begin to panic and freak out because of the beast. Their imagination rises when Ralph was talking about his dad. “Daddy said they haven’t found all the animals in the sea yet.” the kids begin to panic.

    Power and control is creating an overpowered civilization and people begin to panic about the beast and how it may hurt them. The more the kids try to control the others, the become paranoid. During the assembly, after ralph was speaking jack interrupted and began talking about “too many rules” and it broke out into a huge conflict that led to the talk about the beast in the water.

    Int: Why are the kids creating fear of the island/ forest and the beast? Arent they Smart enough to understand that the island does not have anything to fear because it is a good island? Critical: What establishes fear in children? Why do they think that anything can be evil?

    1. I think the unknown establishes and creates fear in children. Kids get scared when they come across something they are not sure about like how a lot of kids are scared of the dark because they can't see what's around them,

  18. Chapter 1 Pg, 31: “Jack drew his knife again with a flourish. He raised his arm in the air. There came a pause, a hiatus, the pig continued to scream and the creepers to jerk, and the blade continued to flash at the end of a bony arm.The pause was only long enough for them to understand what an enormity the downward stroke would be. Then the piglet tore loose from the creepers and scurried into the undergrowth.” From this quote we see the innocence and the unwillingness to survive yet, and I believe that one of the most important themes in this book is the boys innocence and then the loss of innocence

    Chapter 2 Pg, 34: “While we’re waiting we can have a good time on this island.” In chapter 2 we still see the boys as the little nice kids who only want to play games and have fun even though there lives could end on that island thus further proving the point of the innocence that they still have

    Chapter 3 Pg. 52: "You've noticed, haven't you?"
    Jack put down his spear and squatted.
    "Noticed what?"
    "Well. They're frightened."
    He rolled over and peered into Jack's fierce, dirty face.
    "I mean the way things are. They dream. You can hear 'em. Have you been awake at night?" Jack shook his head.
    "They talk and scream. The littluns. Even some of the others. As if—"
    "As if it wasn't a good island."
    Astonished at the interruption, they looked up at Simon's serious face.
    "As if," said Simon, "the beastie, the beastie or the snake-thing, was real. Remember?" From this quote we see that the kids are starting to realize that they can no longer run around and pretend that everything is ok and that they need to start working for the common good which is to help each other survive until they get “rescued.”
    Chapter 4 Pg 75: “Kill the pig. Cut her throat. Bash her in.” With this chant we see the kids start to lose their innocence and start to become savage, because this first pig that they killed it represents their innocence lost and that they can no longer be the kids from the prep school, they now have to be survivalists.
    Chapter 5 Pg. 75: Fear can't hurt you any more than a dream. There aren't any beasts to be afraid of on this island....Serve you right if something did get you, you useless lot of cry-babies!" From this quote we see that Jack is losing it and tells everyone that they need to toughen up instead of moaping around and wanting to go back home and for once we see that they’re scared.

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  20. Chapter 6 Pg. 98: "I'm chief. We've got to make certain that there is no beast....There's no signal showing on the mountain. There may be a ship out there.” from this quote we start to see Ralph really step into the role as chief by not saying lets have fun until we get rescue but giving the kids the cold hard truth which is we need to take care of eachother.

    2) Pg. 52: "You've noticed, haven't you?"
    Jack put down his spear and squatted.
    "Noticed what?"
    "Well. They're frightened."
    He rolled over and peered into Jack's fierce, dirty face.
    "I mean the way things are. They dream. You can hear 'em. Have you been awake at night?" Jack shook his head.
    "They talk and scream. The littluns. Even some of the others. As if—"
    "As if it wasn't a good island."
    Astonished at the interruption, they looked up at Simon's serious face.
    "As if," said Simon, "the beastie, the beastie or the snake-thing, was real. Remember?" From this quote we see that the kids are starting to be frightened by the island and that it may not be as good as told before by Ralph

    3) "Shut up," said Ralph absently. He lifted the conch. "Seems to me we ought to have a chief to decide things."
    "A chief! A chief!"
    "I ought to be chief," said Jack with simple arrogance, "because I'm chapter chorister and head boy. I can sing C sharp." This quote shows the earlier stage of debating over who will become the leader, this will be a stepping stone to the later constant fighting and hatred.
    4) 1.Can we all truly become savage
    2.Do we take our civilized society for granite

    1. I don't really think that everyone is able to become savage. I don't think we just become savage. I feel like we develope it by the people we're surrounded by and what we do. I agree and think that we really do take our little but civilzed society for granted.

  21. 1a. chapter 5
    “The World, that understandable and lawful word, was slipping away.” page 82.
    I think that this quote means a lot because of what’s happening to the everyone in the book, everyone is going through such a hard time right now because they don’t know what to do with themselves lately. Piggy and Ralph finally realize what’s happening on the island lately and the rest of the people aren’t following rules or doing what they need to do.

    1b. “We’ll have to go back and climb the mountain. That’s where they saw the beast.” page 107
    The ocean/water is the beast in this book, I think that they need to go back to the beast because maybe they will find someone in the ocean and they can be saved off the island. After being there for awhile they want to get off and they think that finding someone in the ocean they will get saved.

    2. Fear is playing a role in these chapters because many of the people on this island are scared of what’s going to come or happen. Not many people are following the rules and things aren’t in order at home. Kids would be scared to be stranded on an island without anyone besides a few people after they have gotten into a plane crash. I wouldn’t know what to do with my life. I would be way too scared to take control or even to do things in the right way.

    3. In these chapters power and control shifting is happening because Jack really wants to take over this but Ralph is in charge. No one really wants to have Jack to do it because they are pretty scared of him. Hes a big guy without much fear in his life or anything. “I ought to give up being chief. Hear ‘em” page 93.

    4. Does the personality of Ralph effect why he is the leader?
    If people act a certain way will they get to be the leader of something or do something big like Ralph?

    1. I think Ralph's personality effects why he is leader because he is serious about survival and getting done what needs to get done and it is hard for kids to see when it is time to get work done.

  22. 1. “The conch was snatched from Piggy’s and hand and his voice shrilled… You are breaking the rules....Who cares?” (Pg. 91) (Ch. 5)-This shows that the main idea is leading a group of people civilly and the lingner they are spending on the island the less civil they are becoming and they start to break the rules they have set in place.
    "There was a speck above the island, a figure dropping swiftly beneath a parachute , a figure that hung with dangling limbs."-This quote shows the main idea of a beast or something secret that hasn’t been discovered being or hiding on the island.

    2. Fear is playing a role because it directs the characters. “Under Ralph’s direction, they picked up a careful way along the palm terrace, rather them dare the hot sand down by the water.” Pg. 103-This quote shows that they are being careful because they are scared of what could happen to them when they stop being careful.

    3. Power and control is shifting because Ralph is considering letting go of his power. This is creating fear for Piggy. “‘Piggy’s right, Ralph. There’s you and Jack. Go on being chief’”.

    4. Int: Why is Piggy scared of Jack becoming leader? Will Jack endanger the group?
    Crit: How can who you are influence others wanting you as a leader?

  23. “What I mean is… maybe it is only us.” (Chapter 5, pg.89)
    Although this isn’t much of a so called “quote,” and it is short, it has a lot of depth and meaning in it. Simon speaks here telling the boys a little more about the beast. The boys originally were pondering what this beast could be until Simon spoke these words. The boys don’t really understand how the boys (the group) could be the beast. However Simon explains to them that this beast only emerges in the night. I thought this quote was one of the most important throughout the chapters we have already read. This quote takes us back to the question “are we born evil?” I feel as though the author showed us how he believed that we were born evil. He shows that human evil really does exist and it can turn worse. I feel like Simon does not really understand if human evilness really exist, but once this beast comes into the story more and more into the story, I feel like Simon will make up his opinion and start to become more alert about the people and things around him.
    “We don’t need the conch anymore, we know who ought to say things.. it’s time some people know they’ve got to keep quiet and leave deciding things to the rest of us.” (Chapter 6, pg. 102)
    What made me wonder about this chapter was why they worshipped this conch so much. Ralph made the rule obvious that they listen to the conch, but when Jack spoke up to say what he said, I thought it was actually more of a right thing to do. I don’t think they needed the conch anymore and they needed to start working together as much as possible enough to become closer and stay more safe. In this story, the conch represents civilization, however I feel like even if they keep the conch, they’re still losing civilization. Basically, civilization stands for being organized, advanced, and enlightened. I feel as though this conch is not giving them any of that.
    2) “fear can’t hurt you anymore than a dream. There aren’t any beasts to be afraid of on this island… serve you right if something did get you, you useless lot of cry babies!”
    In this quote, I feel Jack is totally wrong. When he said, “fear can’t hurt you anymore than a dream.” I didn’t think that was quite true. I believe that having a fear of something can actually break you down to the point where you might not be able to keep going. As little kids, we were all afraid of the dark. It got to the point where we would sit up in our beds and cry. Luckily we had parents to make us feel better, but lets say we didn’t. The result of that would be losing sleep and not being able to function. That is only the result of being scared of the dark. Having a fear of something can haunt you, and when it does you’re not able to stay civilized or humane. You simply walk around fearing it, but not knowing where it is.
    3) “Something deep Ralph spoke for him.
    “I’m chief. I’ll go. Don’t argue.”
    This quote from Ralph really made him on the top. I feel like there are two different kind of powers Jack and Ralph want. Jack wants people to follow him, do as he says, and worship him. However Ralph wants people to follow him for safety, and for understanding. Ralph really spoke up in chapter 6 by making this command. Jaack however, speaks too much.
    4) Int: What does the author do in his writing to make people like a certain character, or have compassion for Piggy?
    Crit: Should we change our attitude towards someone because of what they did? Or how they are?

  24. 1. “Exposure to the air had bleached the yellow and pink to near-white, and transparency.” pg 78. I think this quote is showing the overall storyline. I think that Golding is bringing up the colors over and over again because not only does it give a more detailed description, but it also is a suttle way to show the emotions of the boys. The original color of the shell, yellow and pink, represents the way the boys were in the beginning before they became more savage. The color yellow means joy and happiness, and pink means universal love. I think in the beginning the boys were very tender and sweet and now, because they have learned they must survive, their innocence and love has faded into savagery, much like the conch shell has faded.

    “It’s time some people knew they’ve got to keep quiet and leave deciding things to the rest of us.” (Jack) pg. 102. Although this quote is very basic and focused on one topic, I think that it represents the boys very well. It shows that even though they are having to make extreme changes in their lifestyle, many of them still have their same beliefs. An example would be Jack. He was given so much attention by his choir group, and it would be very hard to change how you treat people and how you view the world. He might also be very set in his ways because he is so young, but overall it really represents what Jack and the other boys stand for.

    2. In chapter 6, fear is a main subject. “Soon the darkness was full of claws, full of the awful unknown and menace.” pg 99. As seen in this quote, there is a suspicious tone in the text. This causes the reader to think there is something scary, and provokes fear in the reader. Throughout chapter 5 and 6, the parachuter that is in the tree scares the littluns, and the darkness and mystery causes the bigguns to be weary as well. Fear drives the effort put into ways they will be rescued.

    3. Power and control is definitely changing throughout the chapters. There is a quote on page 102 that shows the tension between the boys, “Jack’s face went so white the the freckles showed as clear, brown flecks. He licked his lips and remained standing”. This is a great representation of how even though Jack is trying to be one of the leaders, he still sets a bad example to the littluns. He talks when others have the conch, and he disobeys the leaders commands when Ralph asks him to sit down. Jack desperatly wants to be the leader, and I think that he is trying to control the power that Ralph has which causes greater tension between the two, and confuses the large group of boys.

    4. How do the relationship that Jack shares with Ralph represent the situation of the boys on the island? What does it predict?
    Would the type of rude behavior be happening with a group of girls? How do young girls look at situations different than young boys?

  25. 1) A quote that really summed up chapter 5 for me was “The thing is: we need an assembly” 78. This was due to the whole chapter being focused on calling the boys together and discussing what needs to get done on the island. It is a quote that is very important because as the boys grow more apart, they need to come together and talk things out. The quote that I thought resembled chapter 6 was “The twins shared their identical laughter, then remembered the darkness and other things and glanced around uneasily" 97. This quote fits the dark atmosphere of the book and how long you can really have fun. The boys are laughing until they realize what they need to accomplish on the island. It is a dark wake up call that definitely sums up the chapter well.

    2) Fear has undoubtedly played a huge role in this book. The quote “A thin wail out of the darkness chilled them and sent them grabbing for each other” 94. This shows the boys being scared of almost nothing. The boys are vulnerable due to their parents not being there to help them. They are now realizing how scary it is to be alone.

    3) Power is shifting from Ralph to Jack and insanity. The quote, “Piggy’s right, Ralph. There’s you and Jack. Go on being chief.” shows how Ralph is accepting giving up power. Ralph likes to lead in a calm and organized way instead of Jack’s vicious and harmful way of leading.

    4) Is it better to be a kind and organized leader or a tough and strict leader?
    Can fear be a good thing?